That fast-food spanking
This time, the story concerns a young worker at a McDonald's restaurant in Kentucky who was made to perform all kinds of degrading acts - ranging from jumping jacks to oral sex, by a caller claiming to be a police officer and his all-too-willing accomplice, the fiance of the restaurant manager.
The girl also received a fairly severe OTK spanking during the incident, which has led to great excitement among some spankos.
Aunty saw this story some time ago and decided not to blog about it because it struck her as sensationalized sexual abuse. Basically, the victim really didn't need a bunch of spanking fetishists lapping up her trauma.
Interestingly, the readers of the SF&R forum seem divided about this story. There are those who are intensely titillated by the spanking component of the incident, such as the famous "Cinndunc" who writes:
Truthfully, I find the video fascinating. I know it's a crime being committed. But still, it's the only time I've ever seen a non-consensual spanking of an adult woman.Then there are those who regard any spanko who enjoyed this news story as morally repugnant. The latter perspective is represented by "Culebrero", who states:
It is a bit troubling that folks might enjoy see a woman spanked severely despite the absence of consent. What's more troubling, though, is that the absence of consent might make it extra exciting. Whereas the first suggests a lack of empathy or respect, the latter seems actually sadistic. I wonder how many consider the fact that girl in this video truly wanted no part of it to be a plus?
Aunty has three thoughts on this story:
First - The female store manager should have been jailed for allowing herself to be duped by such an obvious hoax, and for leaving her burly fiance to "guard" a semi-naked teen girl.
Second, her fiance, the guy "obeying" the phony police-officer's orders was clearly taking the opportunity to commit sexual assault. Accordingly, he should be jailed for as long as possible.
Third, and most importantly, the victim's parents and teachers should be spanked for training her to "always obey adults". Didn't they clarify with the basic warnings about being wary of strangers - not to mention educating her on her basic civil and legal rights when suspected of a crime?
The girl was clearly a victim, but she was also jaw-droppingly naive. Her community failed her by providing inadequate education.
And as for people enjoying this stuff - good luck to them. The moralists at SF&R clearly don't understand that these kinds of stories shock and titillate millions of people. That's why the video was shown on 20/20 and posted online. It's the ultimate tabloid fodder, even more so because an attractive, "90 lbs" teenager was caught in the middle.
Like it or not, spankos aren't the only consumers who go all mushy over this kind of story - there are literally millions of vanilla-minded folk who also lap this stuff up.
Finally, those wishing to, umm, do more research, can visit this thread at SF&R which contains various links to more information on this story, including video. Aunty has decided to refrain from offering any direct links in this case.
Labels: spanking consent
posted by Aunty Agony at 12/05/2006 01:41:00 AM
32 Comments:
Famous?
I'm not exactly famous. I hope not.
Thanks for this article, though.
I have been a fan of this blog for a while now. But I will have to say that this incident is just terrible!. Never blame the victim ever, that girl was clearly scared to death. I That interviewer could not have been more rude. You never ask on national tv "why didn't you". Friends I say we should keep our spanking dreems to one thing, safe sane and consentual. It should remain a "real" not REAL. cheers
C.
Well said aunty. There is more than enough gratuitous sex & violence on all our tabloid-driven media without adding another egregious example.
Dear Aunty,
What an excellent review. Once again you have managed to swing your politically moral and ethical paddle and land it squarely in the middle of the cheekiest part of idiot mankind's bottom.
I agree with you 100% as should all sane spankos throughout the world. Of course our sensibilities are heightened whenever a spanking story comes within hearing distance. There is nothing wrong with that because we are already primed to respond. Hell, most of us perk up simply by hearing the letters "S" and "P" used together and are disappointed when the word turns out to be anything other than spank. But this atrocity is not something that should further excite our interest. Rather, it should make us angry. That poor girl derived no pleasure from that experience and in my book that is not how the game is played. Sadism only works when there is a willing masochist present to receive it. Outside of that relationship Sadism is just evil. The people who committed these crimes should be in jail. As far as the young lady is concerned, I hope she receives the psychological help she so desperately needs (I wonder if anyone at ABC reached out to her. Actually when they do a story like this I believe they should be bound by law to offer assistance). I guess we just have to come to grips with the fact that our educational system and parenting skills continue to fail us and leave much to be desired. It is a shame. Hopefully a majority of mainstream America has learned something by seeing this story and endeavors to better prepare their children to deal with the evil ones who seek to devour them.
Vini Demon
Hello Aunty,
I am delurking on this subject, so here goes. THIS WAS A CRIME! The whole idea that any of our people (spankos) getting there jollies off is wrong. Our community is based on trust, and this is a violationof that trust at the core.
I hope that justice is served,
Dear Aunty,
I think you hit the nail on the head when you noted that it's not just spankophiles who are titillated by this case.
The phenomenon of "That's disgusting! Tell me more!" seems as old as print journalism itself.
I wasn't previously familiar with this case and have decided not to follow the link. But looking inside myself honestly, I would probably fall into the camp that is not so secretly titillated by this poor girl's plight, even while I would also be upset with the people who perpetrated the crime.
It's surprising and disturbing to admit this possible reaction of excitement. I know I was _definitely_ turned on by a brief account I read years ago of a fraud "researcher" who was prosecuted for spanking female volunteers for a pseudo scientific study.
People are strange.
Angie
getting titillated by snuff like this is pretty sick. Those people have a problem with the whole fantasy-reality difference.
Fantasy - not real. Fantasy is for fun. Reality - real. Reality is harm actually happening to a person against their will
Any questions?
Good for you Aunty! It's one thing to act out fantasies of non-consensual spanking with other like minded adults and quite another to abuse someone. I admit the "spanko gene" in me wanted me to look up that clip, but I'm going to resist it. It's much more gratifying to see a spanking scene where you know all involved are there because they're into it (even if they don't always act like they are).
This is an interesting post
I have to agree with Culebrero on this one. Enjoying watching a nonconsenual spanking is wrong, in my opinion.
Unfortunately the "excited by any reference to spanking brigade" share our space. You meet them all the time at munches, in clubs, just check out ITC-MAG.com for a feast of morons with unreal expectations. All we can really do is out them and shun them and make everyone young enough to legaly look at this material aware that the spanko universe can be a dangerous place if you meet the wrong person.
I agree 100% with your thoughtful analysis of this dreadful event! Spanking is all aboout fun and joy and this is rather the opposite
I do not think it is wrong to get some enjoyment out of a nonconsentual spanking...in your mind, your fantasies, or whatever. There is nothing wrong with adding this type of situation into your fantasy life...but we definitely need to realize that this was a crime. And we need to accept that as fact. It doesn't matter what her age was or is, but it does matter that someone used our fetish, our interest, and our lifestyle to perpetuate his own creepy desires. As spankos, I'd say most of us know where to draw the line between fantasy and reality. I mean, I'd love to work in a situation where my boss spanked me constantly. But, I like it...so he would really have my consent even if it were just implied consent. This is someone who didn't like, didn't want it...
I'm glad Aunty brought up the part about vanillas being interested in this deal, too. There are lots of vanillas who spank (as parents or as sexual partners), but it is different from we are doing as spanking fetishists.
That being said, I just want to remind us all that most of us have fantasies that include non-consentuall spanking, some spankos include minors into their spanking fantasies, and many of us base our early fantasies off of spankings we have seen on TV, movies, or in real life. So, it's okay to fantasize about this--just understand that there was, indeed, a crime perpetrated on this girl and give her a rest.
Happy Spankings--Ruby
I've been a spanko since very early childhood, although I didn't know the term then.
IMO, what happened to that girl wasn't a spanking - it was a beating.
To me, spanking is mutually pleasurable and delivered with affection.
That girl was stripped, scared to death and beaten.
Nothing remotely arousing about that, IMO.
I do understand that many fantasies, videos or spanking stories are about NC spankings.
That's fine - there's fantasy, and then there's reality.
Let's keep the non-consensual spanking of young girls firmly in the 'fantasy' camp, never to see the light of day.
That's where it belongs.
I agree that it does not deserve to be blogged here
The said the title & was about to play it until I read the story behind it & that changed my mind, I have not seen it
An non-consential spanking is not only meaningless to a true spanko but sick. Its only for those who want "demeaning" rather than spanking
Its stuff like this that gives us true spankos a bad name
Natureboy
There was a lot of head nodding done by me when reading that, aunty.
You've just given more people the means to watch this horrific act. Imagine if this girl was your daughter, would you want websites giving people access to that clip? I'm sure it has already been circulated around, but this is very irresponsible.
Just my two cents, L
Ok, I don't really know how to post this, so I'm going to start with some platitudes and work my way up.
We all agree that what happened was wrong, criminal and disgusting in the extreme. Had I been there, I would have no doubtedly put and end to it (I am a registered Libertarian and a card carrying member of the ACLU - the assault goes against my core beliefs in every way imaginable). In my private life, I practice safe sane consensual BDSM with my loving GF. I study at a university and pay my bills.
Truth be told, however, watching that video got me incredibly excited - my heart rate went up, mind was sent reeling. "Titilating" does not begin to describe what I felt. It was like a rush that completely filled my brain. I wanted to see the entire video. I wanted audio too - oh god did I want to hear what was going on.
Clearly none of the above was a rational response. In fact, my rational mind (since I had work to do) spent the better part of the day trying to forget it but it just wouldn't go. All this renewed attention, of course, is not helping (but it's hardly the internet's job to censor itself so I can go on with my work!). My point in this paragraph is to convince you that I could not stop being excited by the film even if I wanted to.
I'm not asking for absolution (lol, on an online message board for spankos) nor do I want to minimize the magnitude of the crime committed against an innocent girl. I just want the people that cast blanket aspersions of "sick" and "wrong" to realize that they are condemning real-life human beings that are a lot like themselves. I didn't chose to be excited by the video (I tried and failed at chosing not be, in fact) and I won't go along and say that it's wrong to be excited. That's how I am.
I want to reiterate what I said at the begining - had I been there, I would have punched the guy. No doubt in my mind. I also do acknowledge that in some sense, all of this is self-contradictory (or as Emerson would say `I contain multitudes'). I just wanted to get this all out after, quite frankly, being somewhat hurt by what was written here.
I hope the community will understand, at least a little bit.
~Anonymous Coward.
PS. I'm not up on all the spanko hangouts, so if you find this letter worthy of further discourse, you have my blessings to spread it far and wide. If you do, please reproduce it faithfully, including this postscript.
I watched the first minute, until the girl was being interviewed, having read the story. By which time the red mist had descended and someone(s) needed stringing up.
There are lines we all draw between what we think is right and wrong, the written word often carries stories that involve non-consensual spanking, which more often than not involve, however many parties being satisfied and eroticised
What’s wrong with this is that the guy doing the phoning is broadly one of us, the guy in the back office is an opportunist, I'm unsure of the woman’s place or motivation. Those at SFR that got some sick delight from viewing this are basically the same as the guy on the phone. That is to say cowardly, sadistic bullies (wannabes, neverwills).
I'm glad this was blogged here, to bury it or deny it is to be complicit. We the honourable spankos who share our thoughts and experiences openly need to demonstrate to those entering the scene, or browsing through our scene that we are by and large responsible adults, many with children of our own, who are generally caste by the majority of the public as a bit suspect and weird (potentially a danger to kids).
This story and video would solidify that point of view in the minds of many and it would become an intractable fact to them.
This unpleasant episode requires our thoughts and our sympathy for the victim and her family, and a promise that we will root out the scum that that swim in our wake.
Final note/questions: As our scene provides more material and as we all comment on how big and clever we are and how wonderful things are (models blogs, players blogs, this blog). Do we not influence and provide encouragement to those with a less rounded and grounded view of sexuality and consent? Are we maybe reinforcing unreal expectations and is it time for the “Porn” industry to have look in the mirror and take some responsibility for it’s unwanted side effects?
Great, great comment, Graeme! I'm pleased you understood and articulated what I was trying and/or wanted to say. When are you starting your own blog ;)
There are lines we all draw between what we think is right and wrong, the written word often carries stories that involve non-consensual spanking, which more often than not involve, however many parties being satisfied and eroticised
Part of the point of my post was to demonstrate that knowledge of right and wrong and arousal/excitement are not the same. In my case they are flat out contradictory. My heart goes out to her and I truly wish that it wouldn't have happened and yet I am still excited by the video. I'm sorry if this muddles your moral clarity but it is the truth.
What’s wrong with this is that the guy doing the phoning is broadly one of us, the guy in the back office is an opportunist, I'm unsure of the woman’s place or motivation. Those at SFR that got some sick delight from viewing this are basically the same as the guy on the phone. That is to say cowardly, sadistic bullies (wannabes, neverwills).
I am most certainly not! Nor am I comparable to the guy on the phone. In the real world, I work as best I can against people like him by supporting the concept of individual rights. Quit pigeonholing me with this criminal!
. . .a promise that we will root out the scum that that swim in our wake.
Can we root out the pompous judgmental types too?
Do we not influence and provide encouragement to those with a less rounded and grounded view of sexuality and consent? Are we maybe reinforcing unreal expectations and is it time for the “Porn” industry to have look in the mirror and take some responsibility for it’s unwanted side effects?
I don't think spanko-porn encourages non-consensual abuse any more than James Bond movies encourage people to blow up cars. The majority that understand the world of fantasy are clearly OK and the minority that do not are beyond being helped by a change in the porn industry.
What we can do, is create a community where everyone is welcome provided they accept some basic tenets which I could summarize as "do no harm". What you have demanded is way past that - implicitly condemning me despite the fact that I have done nothing wrong.
Thankfully, I have never in my life wanted for a community of understanding friends. We could do a lot of good for the "sickos" if we allowed them in, free of judgment so that they feel as though they are part of society instead of being alienated from it.
Of course, none of this should be construed as a plea for forgiveness for anyone that has hurt someone else. At that point they deserve jail (or worse).
My hope is that we can get some of these folks before they commit horrific acts and channel their sexual frustration and alienation into an arena where they can fulfill those desires while still respecting the basic rules of civilized society. This is probably too ambitious but I just want to make it clear that virtually everything you said was, IMHO, preaching to the choir while excluding the sinners (if I may stretch the turn of phrase).
I'm probably rambling by now (it is late and finals week) but I believe that what you have said is so very counterproductive that it needed a response. The only hope for the sickos is to convince them to rejoin society and that's not going to happen when the communities that are supposed to be the most tolerant are unwilling to accept them (the Christian right certainly isn't going to!).
As far as I'm concerned, so long as you do no harm you can be aroused by whatever the hell you want, including the video in question. Indeed, if you are aroused, it should be discussed and ways to role-play that fantasy should be suggested.
Now I'm sure I'm rambling!
~Anonymous Coward
PS. Once again, reprint this wherever, whenever, so long is it's a faithful copy, including this postscript.
Anonymous Coward, it was Walt Whitman who coined the 'multitudes' phrase.
I have so many problems with this.
First, I agree with whoever said the reporter was rude towards the girl. If I ever got to that point in this situation (assuming that I allowed myself to be strip searched, etc. etc.), you'd better bet that I'd run out naked. But it took me a long time to have that kind of resolve. No way I would have done it in high school, no matter what was happening to me. And the reporter was wrong for pushing that question repeatedly. Questions like that cause victims to blame themselves.
Second, you cannot make me believe for a second that the store manager didn't have a clue. Not a chance.
My other issue with this entire thing has to do with the spanko reaction. I find the video creepy, and am not excited by it at all. However, I do not find it wrong that some people would find the situation exciting. Quite frankly, there is a clear cut distinction between being excited by something wrong, and doing that wrong something to get excited. Not to say I don't find it creepy, but I have a hard time condeming anyone for their fantasies. And as real as this story is, it's probably been part of someone's fantasy for a good long while. The true problem is when people take their fantasies away from consensual roleplay to sexual assault, not when people get excited by seeing their own fantasies played out.
Sorry Aunty I "bit". If you can accommodate thank you, if you second guess me I’ll live with it.
Aunty, I can’t have my own blog I have no original Ideas, and despite my frequent comments and observation of our kink its recent history and evolution, and some of my personal parables I really don’t have a start point. No one actually needs a Graeme fouling up their site with reams of comment, and as I’ve said before thank you for the room you give, many wouldn’t.
Now then, anonymous coward
Firstly I have no idea what IMHO means whilst I've been kicking around for years I've never bothered with text or chat room speak and abbreviations, I have a whole proper language to use. Secondly I can live with being judgemental and pompous, call it hyperbole “it emphasises the point” or wisdom and real a sense of right and wrong. Though to be fair “Scum that swim in our wake” is appropriate. Just roll along to munch, or some of the seedier venues, meet the revolting 0.1% of the people and listen to them, and in a very short time you start to wonder how to root the fuckers out and let everyone know that there are some “Very bad apples in the barrel”.
As with all scenes of a sexual nature, there are “Train spotters” some of these Train spotters gain in confidence by being in company, and proceed down any rocky road they please. Just so when they come to a munch or club the following month they can regale everyone with their tales. Which sometimes make one think; One should call the police at best, or at worst shove ones glass in their face. As it is they usually find themselves shunned soonest and their aliases touted round chat rooms and the scene so others know not to interact. People generally don’t want scum joining them and integrating them into their lives and scenes, they want them out and far far away. These truths come with time and experience.
I didn’t lump you in with the sickos you did. I’m going out on a limb here but doing finals says student to me. Generally (and I’m willing to be wrong) that says young, which in turn hints strongly at not a parent.
Without wishing to pick all your “stuff” to bits, I’ll just pick up on the odd key point. Sickos live with us in society all the time, till we root them out; in this case harm was done to a young woman, your public mental masturbation and eulogising over this incident says lots to me about strange excitement.
If I wasn’t so staggered by your naivety and contradiction I would laugh. As it is when I read these paragraphs about half a dozen times, I found myself dizzy and angry. At which point I re-read every thing you had to say, and then read it in context of my comment to see if you felt I had deliberately targeted you after your first comment (just a coincidence).
In essence your ramblings appear lucid. However its the kind of lucidity I associate with being high as a kite. A bright person full of piss and wind can sort out their shit with a spell checker. I’m no moralist, I’m no Christian (perish the thought). I feel your words, and I feel you, anonymous coward. You don’t feel wrong, you feel naive, hyper, intense and verbose. Stimulated, pepped, very open but not open enough, to not want a disguise.
If I’m wrong I’ll eat my words and take pictures for Aunty to publish. As it is you need to think good and hard about what you think its ok to watch “as long as no harm was done” Ooops.
Hi Aunty, coming out of hiding here. Peek-a-boo.
I watched this on 20/20 too and maybe I don’t have anything new to say about it but I gotta get my words in anyhow.
I want to commend you for presenting both sides of the story and let you know I don’t think you are evil for posting this or furthering the problem. Quite the opposite because I think everyone should see it!
The little girl on the tape reminded me of my meek little sister. She would have stood there and done whatever they told her to do I am sure of it. So I tivo’d it and made her watch it, and talked to her about what to do if this happened. I think, at least for me, the most profound part of seeing that was that I put myself in the girl’s shoes--only when I was that age. What would I have done?!
Of course, that is the only reason it was at all stimulating for me. My heart was breaking for the poor girl on film, and pumping for the poor little me in my mind. Does that make any sense?!
I don’t feel sick or depraved. Like I said, the meekness and the fright of the little girl immediately made me worry for my sister of the same age. There was nothing stimulating about that at all. It was a clear warning and a tribute to Pavlov. People teach their children to obey, society teaches all of us to obey. The blame lays on the manager and her disgusting fiancé. She lied, the interviewer should have asked her the hard questions.
This story is intriguing for so many reasons other than the spanking and forced sex. In fact, the most captivating part for me, and what my mind still dwells on, is how much of the 200 million dollars the girl is suing McDonalds will actually come to her, if any at all. That’s quite a hefty price tag.
Loving your hard work always!
I just wonder where fantasy ends and reality begins. I mean how much does sites that dwells on this spanking and other forms of BDSM stuff contributes to those who are truely unstable.
Obviously in spanking literature it adds to the story that the spankee is forced into the spanking situation. There is something that adds excitement to the story that makes it better than just two adults in that story agreeing to do spanking.
And most often there is always a part at the beginning that says that the writter doesn't believe in children being spanked or that the writer doesn't believe in people being forced to be spanked.
And for most spankers that is where it ends. Reading and writing stories and perhaps playing out the scenerios consentially with a partner.
But how about the person for which it doesn't end there but who actually goes out and seeks forced situations? Do such stories feed their desire and encourage them into action?
Hi Aunty – I never commented here before but I love this site of yours. I found that video really grim viewing – the fact that she was on tv and being interviewed at all far more than whatever was going on on the surveillance cam actually (and your comments about the tv viewers lapping that up were great by the way! They actually gave her weight??? They gave the poor naive waif’s WEIGHT in the news story – that was one thing I found hardest to believe of all!!!). I was intrigued by this article of yours though, and the responses to it – and it started me thinking in more general terms - especially everyone who keeps saying they are horrified by spanking when it is not ‘consensual’ and hiding behind the ‘consensual’ concept as though it was the only barrier protecting them from something horrifying. I wonder - what do people really think we are following here? What is it about this subject that turns us all on? The concept of a slightly more intense than usual sexual stimulation? Or the ‘punishment’ concept – the victim wriggling and trying to escape, but pinned down and made to have her (or his) arse warmed up? (As in almost every damn spanking video ever made.) We all love the ‘game’ of it – like those amiable students and party girls having fun whacking each other’s arses that so often get posted here and elsewhere – but surely the game wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for the reality underneath it and whatever is deeply rooted in our psyches as a punishment/power balance/guilt clearing concept. If it wasn’t then how many of us would be here now? So where does that leave us? All a bunch of people with cruel streaks trying to hide that fact from ourselves by pretending the whole thing is just ‘consensual’ fun? People can go on all they like about ‘drawing the line’ between reality and imagination but fundamentally and where it matters there just isn’t a line that I can see. It’s all the same thing. Imagination is just things you would *like* to happen in the real world – surely there is no escaping from that definition? No truthful way anyway.
It’s puzzling – because I don’t *feel* cruel!! I wish I understood it more!
Still - maybe there is ‘cruel’ and cruel, of course! How cruel is an ordinary spanking of the kind one might find erotic compared with what happened to that wretched MacDonald’s girl (which I didn’t actually find even slightly erotic, I have to say)? The impression it left me was that there was a heck of a lot more going on here than just a spanking. It was all a right unpleasant head-fuck really – which only got worse when the news got hold of it, and I agree with you completely my dear Aunty that I would LOVE to see those bloody news reporters and the parents, even the real police perhaps, and everyone who comes together to make the ridiculous culture and everything where such things can even happen that has her just sitting there and doing what she was told like that rather than just giving her boss a thick ear and walking out – all of them, squirming over someone’s knee howlin’ under a leather belt!! That not for erotica value but purely for satisfaction!
Anyway – take care and long may the Aunty Agony blog thrive and stir up controversy!!
I agree with you , Aunty Agony. This is sensationalized sexual abuse. I don't think video of it should be shown anywhere.
'Quite frankly, there is a clear cut distinction between being excited by something wrong, and doing that wrong something to get excited.' Lee's right. The proper business of morality is regulating how we behave with and towards other people, not what goes on in, & stays in, our heads.
I've often fantasized about throttling intolerable colleagues, but this doesn't, surely, put me on a moral par with murderers. Equally, being turned on by this story doesn't, in itself, contribute to the victim's plight, and is really not a moral issue.
That said ... posting the footage all over the net, and openly perving over the abuse she suffered, might just raise a moral issue, insofar as it's possible - maybe even probable - that the young woman in question will discover that her ordeal has become other people's wank fodder. I can only imagine how this might add to her humiliation.
For that reason, I reckon we should maybe think about whether it's right even to keep linking to this story. (Which isn't to say Aunty was wrong to do so; this was a debate that maybe needed to be had, & the contributions here have generally been excellent.)
'So where does that leave us? All a bunch of people with cruel streaks trying to hide that fact from ourselves by pretending the whole thing is just ‘consensual’ fun?'
That's an intriguing question, dreamerman. But it needn't keep us awake at nights. Should we be surprised if sometimes our sensual appetites don't exactly match up to our moral beliefs? I won't buy, say, eggs from factory farmed chickens. But I won't beat myself up over the knowledge that I'd probably enjoy the taste. In the same way, many of us enjoy fantasizing about, or playing at, things we'd never, in a millionn years, do for real.
Going through life without doing the wrong thing is hard enough. Let's not worry too much about thinking the wrong thing.
I don't agree that this video should not be viewed. It is the only way the victim will get any sympathy. Every person in that room with her, except the fiancee who perpetrated the worst part of the crime, has disputed her version of what was/was not said and they are all liars. Only the video record cannot be disputed.
The victim did not agree to be searched, she did ask to go to the police station. She was falsely imprisoned. Her body language in every video, still or streaming, says she is terrified.
What we are seeing in that video is a young woman's psychological well being being destroyed. If anyone can get a thrill out of that, they are a pervert. Four different anti-depressants were tried before one was found that could help her. She finished high school but she abandoned her plans for college.
I've been a spankophile all my life, I have never been able to incorporate a real non-consensual event into my fantasies. Jim
I don't know whether anyone is still reading this thread, but cg nailed it...There is nothing wrong or "sick" about fantasizing dreadful things, as long as we keep such fantasies in our heads and don't seek to act them out on the unwilling. Some of the earlier commenters sound like they'd like to act as "thought police" for the rest of us.
Graeme: "IMHO" means "in my humble opinion".
John some of us do pop back in to check threads. I'm not sure anyone has said you can't fantasise about bad things (We all do it, some of us write them down and call them stories).
What is being said is: That a very young woman/girl was wronged very badly, and that having a wank over her misfortune and shouting about it to your peers demonstrates "Imho" very poor form.
So John, you have missed the point entirely. As did anonymous coward. Harm was done, a crime was committed. No one objecting (and I can’t re-read all these comments) wants the “Thought Police”, however we spankers from the pre-Buffy, txt spk, YouTube, me me me, now now now, generation remember laws that could be used to make our lives a misery as “pervs”, and that the last thing we want after struggling for so long to be “out, open, able to express ourselves”. Is for a few Fuckwitted fellows to make the authorities once again shine their light into our deepest corners again, whether deserved or not.
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